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i believe

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july 12th for so many of us not just for

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the researchers but for all of us will

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be that sense i remember how close to

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tears i was that moment because it's a

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an emotional moment when you see nature

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suddenly

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releasing some of its secrets and i

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would like you to i just imagine and

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kind of look forward to that no it's not

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an image

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it's a new world view that you're going

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to see a nature gifting up secrets that

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have been there

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for uh many

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decades centuries millennia forever

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with what what i have seen

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moved me

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as a scientist

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as an engineer

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and as a human being the teams are

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really working hard i just want to

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acknowledge the hard work they're doing

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but for me looking at one of these

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images frankly uh i had the same feeling

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like that night which i told you the

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story because you really feel like the

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sky is opening up and you're in a in a

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moment on time and kind of a space

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that you'll forever remember because you

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saw the universe like nobody has seen it

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yet and

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billions

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will see it on the 12th so i was kind of

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a sense of awe

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and frankly got emotional

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[Music]

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what's up everybody how are you

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i have one more person that i have to

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bring in

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and i'm sure you know who that is it's

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mr j christopher king how are you

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i'm doing really well sean how are you

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pretty good

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uh i wasn't gonna do a new intro but uh

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since there's been so much talk about it

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you know and it's kind of the big

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you know to do

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i thought i would do it

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i think

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yeah

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sean's saying like oh i wasn't gonna do

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an intro bull hockey bull hockey my

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friends

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what

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the heck is bull hockey i mean i'm just

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trying to use some

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grandpa

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malarkey a malarkey that is malarkey

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that's definitely more that was one of

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the best intros i've seen i mean out of

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seven months of wednesday friending with

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you i think or something like that six

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and a half seven months or so

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that's one of my that's one of my

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favorites so far i think

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if you were to if you were to if you

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were to chill out and get lazy one week

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i think repeating that one wouldn't be

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so bad i also liked the tune

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slash stranger things kind of vibes and

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really stranger things yeah

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yeah well i'm working on that uh like

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kind of like movie type of thing and

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that's like the

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the main like song for it basically so

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i love it so i have a different uh yeah

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but i see her pretty cool and couldn't

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wait to play it so

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i see over in the chat that everybody

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else seemed to have really dug it as

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well and and if they didn't dig it

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they're not talking on on the chat right

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now so yeah which is totally fine too

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which is for by by the way since i

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started out with something some people

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liked hit that like button

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you know otherwise if you don't then

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youtube just takes me off the their

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platform

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and they take my house away

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and my wife and they make me sleep

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in a ditch somewhere

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so he told my

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please hit the like button

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but how about how about those

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those uh those comments from nasa hey

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that's amazing that was just today right

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so they had they had a briefing or like

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a teleconference they call it much like

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the one they had on uap with the same

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guy too which i thought was pretty

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interesting but um

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and it was on you know kind of pretty

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much preparing

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uh to release the first photos from the

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james webb telescope

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comments and things they said were were

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they're obviously you know the couple

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people there they saw

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how the decision to pick

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which photos were it was coming from the

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bottom up or whatever which i thought

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um you know that doesn't necessarily

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mean that they saw you know

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aliens or other life forms or anything

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uh a higher percentage for them learning

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more about other life forms the way they

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go back in and listen to the whole thing

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but they stressed the fact about you

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uh looking at a exoplanet in a certain

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way so you can see like the the

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signatures uh that are coming off the

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planet and all that and you know having

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different colors to show the different

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molecules the biosignatures or whatever

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exoplanet or something they're doing so

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you know and the the way they didn't you

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they'll be able to basically

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as close as you can get to a firm

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conclusion of another life on the planet

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without actually like seeing it

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like the creature you know

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i think that's pretty cool and uh they

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excited about it too i think it's gonna

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be awesome i mean i'm looking forward to

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the photos it's cool that we only have

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those are starting to come in which is

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pretty which is pretty amazing

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considering it just felt like yesterday

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that they actually put that thing up

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there and we were all crossing our

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unfold like the beautiful piece of

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origami that they designed you know

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craft and things like that

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a confidential space operation and

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things like that when we think about and

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of what the james webb telescope had to

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it not quite working right

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i'm like i'm getting bombarded by this

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weird youtube account sorry

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that's right i i think i blocked it uh

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naked hd we have more cheap sex and

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tinder it's a great great account name

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you know yeah i mean sure yeah

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so anyway yeah there's like 234

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like different things that had to go

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completely perfect for the whole thing

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to work

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they had too or where each uh

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uh thing went off perfectly apparently

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how many years of you know

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above excellent you know performance had

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to happen for for that uh to work out

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like that so it yeah it was pretty

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interesting but you know we'll see how

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far it gets us in the you know the

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disclosure bracket it's interesting

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how you know

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they just started the uap thing you know

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and you can put these connections in

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your head all day like did they just do

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that uap thing because maybe they saw

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the photos and there was little space

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animals floating around or is that just

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that one of the tiny little mirrors had

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gotten hit right

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sand or something like that and it

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just the delicacy i'm just struck by the

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delicacy of the whole thing because

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at these amazing images and in a way

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you know it's like this giant delicate

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paper plane covered with dental mirrors

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just like hurtling through space and

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we're just crossing our fingers that

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it's going to keep working the way that

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it's supposed to right and we remember

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what happened with hubble how it kind of

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how how hubble screwed up after a little

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while and we were still able to use it

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as best we could as best we were able so

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i'm just hoping that they're just

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grabbing as much data as they can as as

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here's here's how their

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morning meeting goes all right act like

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this won't be here tomorrow go

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exactly right like come on you guys

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let's do let's we gotta do we have a

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third shift operation happening tell me

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we've got a third shift happening third

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yeah and it can't be like those third

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shift guys that we used to have at

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kinko's or fedex or anything like that

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it's gotta be got it yeah some top shelf

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third shifters yeah like someone who's

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been doing it their whole life they're

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used to it it's like breathing they work

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third shift you know that's right

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if they work first shift it's like

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they're in bizarre land kind of thing

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i don't care if you have to take them

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from the local trucking company just

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because they're so used to third shift i

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want that kind of person

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i mean that i mean somebody that's in it

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for the long haul is the type of that we

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absolutely

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it was a good comment like timber chet

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uh predicted that some program will

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accidentally find the information in the

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future well that's kind of like uh

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you know what uh could be the case with

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nasa and the uap thing oh we're just

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gonna look at old data that we have and

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holy cow this was here the whole time

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you know

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yeah the brazilian uh uap uh

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i i i missed it did they call it uh uap

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or ufo i don't know but um they're in

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their hearings

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they were long

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yeah

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i i think from what i saw it was often

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more ufo hearings than uap hearings but

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oh but i skipped it we were gonna do the

305
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the uh chris sharp article first

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yeah why don't we do do you want to you

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know let's let's let's go with uh the

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chris sharp article and and that stuff

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first and then we can lay into the

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hearings for a while maybe we should arm

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wrestle over over which one goes first

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you just want to show off your cool ring

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which i appreciate

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we can do that i don't have a cool ring

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on today

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okay yeah that's usually

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busted

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nope usually usually i wear my great

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great grandpa's old ring right i saw

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that in like the 1880s or something like

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that but not today i i i missed it in my

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in my frenzy to to get into the hot seat

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today

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oh no my ring

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swear

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we can timeout

327
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like by the bell i'll hit the timeout

328
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and we'll just pause

329
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well i mean

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if we were to do the timeout i would

331
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want it to be like actual saved by the

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belt timeout where it magically makes

333
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everything freeze i think that that was

334
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like not to do a total aside here but i

335
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think that that was one of the most

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underutilized aspects of save by the

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bell was that zack morris was actually

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some kind of like time space magician

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and that just like completely went

340
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unacknowledged that the guy nobody

341
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talked about

342
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yeah i know right i mean why wasn't he

343
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just like saving you know kittens from

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trees and

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and you know like and weekend and

346
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disclosure

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come

348
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on moore has prepped us for that

349
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that's right

350
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so yeah so

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interesting so that we i mean going to

352
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the 2019 um you know these uh objects

353
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swarming our navy ships or whatever

354
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right yeah corbell comes out he puts the

355
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the videos with the greek pyramids out

356
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he's all over the news

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saying you know these are unknowns and

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they were reported as pyramids we don't

359
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know what they are

360
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uh we were swarmed all that kind of

361
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stuff he released a whole bunch of data

362
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videos and all that stuff it was like a

363
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plethora

364
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of um knockout punches he was delivering

365
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on that event

366
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um

367
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but it really and you know mick west

368
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kind of came out and said hey this

369
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thing's boca

370
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del boca vista and

371
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seinfeld quote

372
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and uh thanks but the run-up really was

373
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to the hearings where they pretty much

374
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tried to wiggle out of bran moultrie at

375
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the ufo hearings they tried to

376
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wiggle out of it being anything and and

377
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said

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they thought

379
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that it was a

380
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uh droner unmanned aerial vehicle

381
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so

382
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jeremy corbell got pissed and

383
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you know

384
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and he's always excited that he has a

385
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lot more data and that he's actually

386
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talked to people and so on and so forth

387
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so he

388
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did this piece with um the daily mail

389
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chris sharp and i always forget

390
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what the other guy's name is but he's

391
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he's a great writer and josh boswell yes

392
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um and they did this huge long piece and

393
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he's talking about a hundred objects

394
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some are going straight up

395
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in outer space or you know straight up

396
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into the air

397
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upper atmosphere yep and they're getting

398
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swarmed by these things there's a bunch

399
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of ships i mean that there's so almost

400
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so much information that you that it's

401
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like

402
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weeks at a time you know to really get

403
00:16:00,870 --> 00:15:58,560
every detail right because

404
00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:00,880
the navy's accidentally releasing a

405
00:16:04,629 --> 00:16:03,759
bunch of documents the other day on it

406
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uh

407
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corbell does this thing um he's talked

408
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to navy men one of which you know says

409
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that

410
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you know he couldn't tell if it was

411
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man-made or not but that the properties

412
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of it and performance of it were seemed

413
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out of this world you know and i'm

414
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totally paraphrasing here so bear with

415
00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:21,279
me but

416
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um

417
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and

418
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it's it's just like it's it's incredible

419
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the vast difference between the two

420
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stories right

421
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if you ask jeremy corbell

422
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you know he'll say

423
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that we had a hundred objects

424
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with other otherworldly attributes

425
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basically

426
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swarming

427
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our warships multiple warships in 2019.

428
00:16:50,949 --> 00:16:48,959
if you ask brian moultrie

429
00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:50,959
well we looked at it for a little while

430
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:53,680
and um looks like it was the uav because

431
00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:55,440
we caught one that looked similar in a

432
00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:56,800
different place

433
00:17:01,670 --> 00:16:59,600
before and so yeah we wrapped it up that

434
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:01,680
was it

435
00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:04,400
like how different are

436
00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:06,240
those stories and the truth to me is

437
00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:07,839
always kind of somewhere in the middle

438
00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:09,839
and i don't know if you had an

439
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:11,600
opportunity to look at those

440
00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:12,880
accidentally

441
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:15,120
uh released navy documents yesterday

442
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:21,909
i didn't yeah i i haven't gotten a

443
00:17:24,549 --> 00:17:23,199
chance to look at those yet i was

444
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:24,559
working on a bunch of experiences group

445
00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:26,720
stuff i saw that they happened

446
00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:28,720
and keith bastard i got i got a couple

447
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:30,320
messages from keith basterfield they

448
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:31,679
were like hey look at this and i was

449
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:32,400
like

450
00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:34,640
but he's in australia i'm over here the

451
00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:36,880
timing didn't work out you're not even

452
00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:38,160
um yeah

453
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:41,440
anyway but you did yeah right and yeah

454
00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:44,320
yeah i briefly looked at them and it

455
00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:46,080
seems like a couple things aren't true

456
00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:47,600
one is

457
00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:49,440
um

458
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:51,520
it doesn't seem like they came from that

459
00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:54,240
uh the one ship from hong kong

460
00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:56,160
uh that they said it was from which it's

461
00:17:58,870 --> 00:17:57,520
called like the belt something or

462
00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:58,880
whatever

463
00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:00,880
that was docked at long island at the

464
00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:03,200
time so

465
00:18:05,909 --> 00:18:04,640
it didn't seem like that they tried to

466
00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:05,919
contact the ship they didn't get a

467
00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:08,000
response back

468
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:09,200
right

469
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:11,360
it was something like over 100 kilometer

470
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:14,559
kilometers away i think yeah right

471
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:16,720
so like let me get this straight back

472
00:18:22,230 --> 00:18:19,200
straight yeah thanks disclosure team

473
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:22,240
vinnie um so let me get into this best

474
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:25,039
straight doctor at long beach is sending

475
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:26,559
out a hundred drones around our navy

476
00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:28,320
ships and they're like they don't care

477
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:30,640
ah we're not a big deal they're not

478
00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:33,200
gonna go no it's us yeah we're like come

479
00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:33,919
on

480
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,000
ridiculously stupid right

481
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:40,240
and this is your vehicle i don't even

482
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:41,760
know what a pleasure vehicle is but

483
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:43,600
there's some unknown pleasure vehicle

484
00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:45,120
that's in the area that isn't

485
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:46,559
communicating back

486
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:48,480
the whole thing's a freaking mess and

487
00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:50,320
good luck making any sense out of it to

488
00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:52,080
be quite honest with you

489
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:55,200
yeah i liked i liked corbell's quote he

490
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:56,720
said i don't care if

491
00:19:02,070 --> 00:19:00,000
these were drones or true ufos pyramids

492
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:02,080
triangles or even seagulls with lights

493
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:04,160
strapped under their wings i want the

494
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:06,400
fundamental question to be answered do

495
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:07,360
we know

496
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:10,320
the controllers of these units you know

497
00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:11,919
say what you will about jeremy corbell

498
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:14,160
but he's he's he's got a he's got a good

499
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:15,760
handle on equip every once in a while

500
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:18,080
for sure you know what i mean

501
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:19,360
and that's kind of one of the

502
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:22,000
interesting parts to me is like i feel

503
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:27,510
it you know and i could just be making

504
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:28,960
this up my head i don't know but it

505
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:31,039
seems like a little bit that he moves

506
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:33,919
the goalposts just a little bit

507
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,480
and like when it first came out he's

508
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:38,640
really adamant that these were reported

509
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,559
as pyramids

510
00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:42,320
you know and then

511
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,039
the congressional hearings and some

512
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:47,120
documents come out and then he kind of

513
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:48,720
tilts more towards i don't care what

514
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:51,840
they are it's an issue

515
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:53,760
so i noticed that a little bit and i i'm

516
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:56,320
not really sure you know why that is or

517
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:58,240
what the nail is but

518
00:20:02,149 --> 00:19:59,840
you know

519
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:02,159
and then the hundred objects like were

520
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:04,880
these 100 separate objects or were these

521
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:07,120
10 traveling to one place or one place

522
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:12,630
yeah that's that's that's tough to say

523
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:15,600
either way i mean in the end he's right

524
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:18,080
with who cares what they are it's an

525
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,280
issue

526
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:21,440
right it says you know

527
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:23,679
in the in chris sharp and boswell's

528
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:25,520
daily mail article it says according to

529
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:28,000
corbell sources and navy's own documents

530
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,840
released under the foia which you are

531
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:31,679
just referring to these crafts

532
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:33,600
capabilities included hovering at

533
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:36,960
altitudes up to 21 000 feet flying for

534
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:39,200
more than four hours traveling long

535
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:42,000
distances in one flight and apparently

536
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:44,880
being impervious to anti-drone navy

537
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,600
technology so what if that isn't a

538
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:49,840
concern right when especially

539
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,360
considering that further down in the

540
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:52,799
article uh

541
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:54,960
there's an unnamed contractor that that

542
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:56,880
sharp quotes saying

543
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,120
uh you know for the most part

544
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:00,720
[Music]

545
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:03,120
ones that we know of can travel for up

546
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:05,200
to about an hour right now of course

547
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:06,960
there's this possibility of confidential

548
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:09,200
technology that that we're not privy to

549
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:11,120
even on our own side that

550
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:12,480
sources and methods people aren't going

551
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:15,120
to talk about necessarily but still you

552
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:17,039
know if it's impervious to our

553
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,000
anti-drone technology if it can fly for

554
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:22,320
over four hours if they can do huge

555
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,520
swarms like that and we don't know what

556
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:25,440
they are and then we're not supposed to

557
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,240
be

558
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,400
concerned about it whatsoever or

559
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,240
something like that and then to be so

560
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,240
deceitful about it like we're the

561
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:34,640
american people we pay our taxes if

562
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:36,880
we're in trouble or if you know we have

563
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,840
an issue like that we should know

564
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:41,120
flat-out

565
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:43,600
we need to know that you know

566
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,320
and it we there is like there is a bit

567
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:48,400
of a hall of mirror situation here

568
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:49,360
because

569
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:51,039
we're hearing

570
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:52,559
things out of two different sides of the

571
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,600
mouth in a way right because because we

572
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:57,360
get what we get from the foia documents

573
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:59,200
we get what we get

574
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,080
from corbell's unnamed sources who were

575
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:04,000
talking about what seemed to be quote

576
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,120
unquote otherworldly capabilities

577
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:09,520
with regard to these with regard to

578
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:10,320
these

579
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:13,120
uh ufos for lack of a better term

580
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:15,440
uh i'm not gonna call them drones um

581
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:16,960
because i don't know what they were

582
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,960
right right oh right and you don't want

583
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:20,720
to fall into that trip

584
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:21,440
no

585
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:32,400
right and then at the same time

586
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,120
we have so many elements of the kind of

587
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:36,720
disclosure narrative that comes out from

588
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:39,679
the pentagon and elsewhere that says

589
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:41,120
you know

590
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:42,559
we're not supposed to be worried about

591
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,799
these and yet they can also constitute a

592
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,720
national security threat right

593
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,720
and that that this has just been it's

594
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:50,799
been going on for years now it's been

595
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,960
going on for arguably decades

596
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,400
where you know

597
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,840
the the thing that we're supposed to pay

598
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,600
attention to is that it's a national

599
00:23:02,149 --> 00:22:59,280
security threat however if there's a

600
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,159
hundred of them near a warship uh don't

601
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,480
worry about it it's fine right right

602
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,159
yeah and let's be yeah i mean you're

603
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:08,240
exactly all right right like let's be

604
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,360
real this has been going on for a long

605
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,679
time and just different you know with

606
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,200
different faces

607
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:16,880
you know the interest little tiny

608
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,280
writings on on my website on witnesses

609
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,600
and dot com which y'all should visit uh

610
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:23,760
and the last one

611
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:26,720
um i found a little piece of this uh

612
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:29,200
this uh staff study that they did in

613
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,080
1952 and this

614
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:34,080
this sentence

615
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:37,360
is just like should really blow people

616
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,159
away which is we were only able to

617
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,960
positively identify

618
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:45,039
seven percent

619
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:50,240
1952. we're talking about hundreds and

620
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:52,000
hundreds and hundreds of sightings they

621
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,080
could only positively identify seven

622
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,480
percent i've said this before they you

623
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:58,080
know they'll say probably balloon or

624
00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:00,000
possibly balloon probably stars possibly

625
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,360
stars probably aircraft possibly

626
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,200
aircraft because they don't know they're

627
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,960
just saying well there's aircraft in the

628
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:06,400
area we don't know for sure that's what

629
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:08,480
it was but we're going to say possibly

630
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,240
aircraft right

631
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,240
that's right but you don't know that's

632
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,320
what it was but yet they're telling the

633
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:15,919
american public

634
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:18,400
that you know 15 or 20 percent are what

635
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:20,000
would go unidentified we couldn't do

636
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:20,720
that

637
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,200
deceitful

638
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,440
yeah and yeah i think the same thing's

639
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:29,039
going on now

640
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:30,799
yeah and and it's not sound like a

641
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,159
broken record but you're absolutely

642
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,480
right i mean the the early 50s were a

643
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:35,760
huge

644
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,240
heyday for our field and tr especially

645
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,000
in terms of military transparency

646
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:42,960
because you had uh people like donald

647
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:45,279
kehoe uh working and getting great

648
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,360
quotes out of representatives from the

649
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,600
actual press office of the united states

650
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,440
air force among other among many many

651
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,000
many other people talking on the record

652
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,320
writing him letters uh tran you know

653
00:25:01,990 --> 00:24:58,880
talking to him on the phone about

654
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,000
about all of these unknowns and and he

655
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,679
wasn't the only outlet as you're talking

656
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,480
about right there and later on um when

657
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,159
we get to the brazilian senate hearings

658
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,320
you know he javard and others were

659
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:12,640
talking about how you know the brazilian

660
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:15,600
military was also pretty candid as early

661
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,039
as as early as the early 50s and so you

662
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:21,200
know there were a lot of there are a lot

663
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,799
of great efforts and it's and it's

664
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:24,559
frustrating for many people including

665
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:25,840
the both of us

666
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,000
uh as many people in the chat will know

667
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,200
that that in many ways the most

668
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:32,880
transparent and the most straight

669
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:35,919
answers that it seems like we ever got

670
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,320
in terms of the military situation was

671
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,279
probably in that heyday in the early 50s

672
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,320
and then um donald kehoe himself started

673
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,320
to document the cover-up operation and

674
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,200
how people stopped talking to him and

675
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,440
how you know whole new

676
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:54,240
whole new operations were set up um like

677
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,240
blue book to to to cover up the whole

678
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,240
thing right you know you know what i was

679
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:59,919
thinking as as you were saying that the

680
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,520
most you know like kind of accurate

681
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,279
information or whatever we got was back

682
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,200
then i would say the most accurate

683
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:08,080
information we ever get on this stuff is

684
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,760
from the witnesses

685
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,520
that's right and that's why they don't

686
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:13,679
want to invite them to the congressional

687
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,799
hearings

688
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,000
you know

689
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,120
i yeah i i i think i think that there's

690
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,200
a lot of accuracy to that you know i

691
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,880
think when i was

692
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,559
you know not to put the cart before the

693
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:26,159
horse in terms of our schedule for how

694
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,360
we're going to be talking about things

695
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,799
but you know

696
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,880
leading into the the brazilian senate

697
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,720
hearings you know

698
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,039
this is a five and a half hour hearing

699
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:37,200
for so so right off the bat we're

700
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:38,640
talking about something that was over

701
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,600
three times as long as the the house

702
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,919
subcommittee hearing right that that we

703
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:45,760
got last month

704
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,760
now on the one hand i'm not gonna look

705
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:49,200
at gift horse on the mount this is

706
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,320
amazing that we got a a house

707
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,960
subcommittee hearing in may and then in

708
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,240
june we get

709
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:58,240
we get this big five and a half hour

710
00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:00,799
extravaganza in front of the brazilian

711
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:01,760
senate

712
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,640
um you know this is a you know brazil

713
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,200
we're talking about a country of 220

714
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,279
million people right this is not some

715
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:11,679
kind of small operation the you know

716
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,480
that's roughly the population of spain

717
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,799
france germany portugal and greece put

718
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:17,840
together

719
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,159
right and uh yeah so it you know it's

720
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:24,159
this is a pretty significant situation

721
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:27,919
here and um and in that case we did get

722
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,159
some some interesting

723
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:31,520
um

724
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:32,640
uh

725
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,440
testimony at least about witnesses right

726
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:37,120
there's a lot of testimony about

727
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,720
witnesses if not the witnesses

728
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,880
themselves but there was a striking

729
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:42,960
difference between the kinds of

730
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:46,320
testimony and the kinds of of talk we

731
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,440
were getting

732
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,679
uh on the senate brazilian senate floor

733
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:51,760
and how different that was

734
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:52,640
than

735
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:57,120
subcommittee hearing last month

736
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,159
right

737
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,559
and vinnie makes a great point

738
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,240
glad we didn't do a live watch along

739
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:04,960
with the brazil hearings as we did as we

740
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,679
did with the uh us subcommittee hearings

741
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:09,520
because um that would have been too many

742
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,720
potty breaks

743
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,080
but

744
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,600
you know the one thing

745
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:15,360
my biggest overall takeaway from the

746
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,960
brazil hearings is just how

747
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:23,990
you know everything basically everything

748
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,880
they discussed is to everything here you

749
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,960
know from military sightings to

750
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:30,480
abductions

751
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,679
um

752
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,840
you know to to kind of a somewhat of

753
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,039
cover-ups

754
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:37,200
pilots being honest with amazing you

755
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,149
you know to think that it's just our

756
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:44,240
country or their country would be in

757
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,440
their country would be you know

758
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:47,360
obviously ridiculous so you have to

759
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,320
assume

760
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,320
this is the same basically for any

761
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:52,799
larger country and so then it you know

762
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,880
it just begs the question like what the

763
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,880
hell are we doing here

764
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,520
let's stop me you know can we please

765
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,919
stop beating around this overly sized

766
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,520
bush

767
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:05,919
that's right yeah i mean it was an

768
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,320
amazing it was a an amazing event in

769
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,799
many ways and and

770
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,480
people some of the people that were

771
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:14,799
presenting were willing to go out onto a

772
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:17,520
branch that some people within

773
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,679
english-speaking ufology

774
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:21,679
uh might kind of shy away from you know

775
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,440
the nuts and bolts crowd some of this

776
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,679
some of this the testimony that we heard

777
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,440
from the brazilian senate hearing would

778
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:29,600
be like quote unquote too far for for

779
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:30,799
some people

780
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,600
uh in in our community and according to

781
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:35,919
me that's absolutely just fine you know

782
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:38,159
what it's okay if something wasn't made

783
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,520
for you and that's something that

784
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,200
americans need to start understanding as

785
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,600
soon as humanly possible but sometimes

786
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,760
you know sometimes something you hear is

787
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,360
not you you know you're not going to be

788
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,520
the target demographic and that's okay

789
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,600
right yeah right you don't you don't

790
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,200
have if you don't relate to something

791
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,279
doesn't mean that it's not

792
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,799
important

793
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,279
right yeah absolutely if you're related

794
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,720
to everything

795
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,480
um well first of all life would be very

796
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,159
boring right but it would also just be

797
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:05,760
very unrealistic

798
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:08,640
you know like just just like any

799
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,600
scenario in life like you know every

800
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,000
situation you're in every event you have

801
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:16,640
is unique to yourself you know no one

802
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,679
else has

803
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,760
been through that event whatever it is

804
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:21,520
even the way you drink your coffee this

805
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,000
morning no one else has done it exactly

806
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:25,679
like that

807
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,480
in the whole history of this world you

808
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,799
know so

809
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:32,880
you know an abduction event or or

810
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,120
something of that sort

811
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,440
any kind of audit you know high stranger

812
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,600
sniper type experience

813
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:41,840
it i think it's good for people to keep

814
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:45,039
that in mind you know just because you

815
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:47,120
haven't been through it

816
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:48,880
doesn't make it

817
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,440
less real or important

818
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,039
you know because everybody's life is

819
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,720
unique to their own

820
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,039
that's right and vinnie points out in

821
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:59,200
the chat that the brazilian hearings

822
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,640
featured incidents that might not sit

823
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:02,240
well in america but to their culture

824
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,440
it's the norm

825
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:05,440
and that's absolutely the case

826
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:09,600
and you know i as as we

827
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,799
get into more of a multicultural

828
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:15,120
conversation within ufology in the

829
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:19,360
paranormal which you know i hope i

830
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,919
i really really hope happens and it

831
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:24,080
really has to happen i feel like and we

832
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:25,519
need to encourage that as much as

833
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,919
possible i think we do recognize that

834
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,000
there that there are often

835
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,480
um demographic and geographic

836
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,880
differences in the kinds of cases that

837
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,120
people get and that's fascinating right

838
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:39,679
yeah the fact that the fact that

839
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,080
some situations in some kinds of cases

840
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:44,240
and ufology and the paranormal might

841
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:45,840
shift depending on whether you're at

842
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,320
skinwalker ranch or chris bledsoe's

843
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,200
property or in the pyrenees mountains or

844
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:52,559
you know any place that you could

845
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:55,519
possibly cite that's fascinating right

846
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:00,159
and and it's and it helps us

847
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,919
start to figure out the really the grand

848
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,080
ecology of what could be going on here

849
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,159
and how we could start actually mapping

850
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,840
out you know

851
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,760
what is all of this and

852
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,760
and when can we stop talking about it as

853
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,480
one thing rather than minute yes

854
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,320
beautiful yeah

855
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,120
that's um

856
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,200
that's kind of going into

857
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:23,600
you know something that

858
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:26,240
that i wanted to discuss today which was

859
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,600
you know i don't know if it's too soon

860
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,679
if you have more to say on the hearings

861
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,440
but just

862
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,440
just the frustration of being an

863
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,880
experiencer

864
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,559
and how

865
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,399
if you've had an experience and you've

866
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,200
seen something like

867
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,679
it doesn't mean that a that you believe

868
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,840
in aliens

869
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,840
you know or that

870
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:49,919
you're trying to say that you had an

871
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:52,559
experience with uh an extraterrestrial

872
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,519
being

873
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,440
or that you're abducted

874
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:58,000
or any of that stuff

875
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,200
you know

876
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,240
and because of that kind of reason like

877
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,080
you have to

878
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:06,480
you can't talk to it about

879
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,960
talk about it with many people because

880
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,559
that's just kind of what they think

881
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:12,159
immediately you know not that there's

882
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,919
anything wrong with that but

883
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:15,440
you know it's just hard to talk about

884
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:17,679
your experience without being

885
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,640
um

886
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,960
kind of judged as a lunatic

887
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:23,200
unfortunately you know what whatever

888
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,640
your experience is

889
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,559
you should never be judged that way but

890
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:28,720
um you know people who have been

891
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,120
abducted people who haven't

892
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,760
they've all had experiences most i find

893
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,440
are confused about it and don't know

894
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,880
what happened and don't know what the

895
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:38,720
deal is you know

896
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:41,440
and we're always treated like

897
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,039
you know

898
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,200
we're in some cult movement or something

899
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,279
and it's just unfortunate

900
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:49,919
it is unfortunate i think you know there

901
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:50,799
are

902
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:52,960
a lot of people that have given

903
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:55,039
very accurate

904
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,559
um assertions i i think in terms of

905
00:34:01,509 --> 00:34:00,240
when you find somebody that knows

906
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,519
exactly what's

907
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:03,200
going on you should run in the other

908
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,640
direction and i think that there's

909
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,039
something to that right because

910
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:09,440
you know i'm i don't know a single soul

911
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:10,560
that knows

912
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:13,200
exactly the the true

913
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:17,440
ecology and and the the wider

914
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:19,919
of the of the kind of wider ocean that

915
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,079
we find ourselves in you know and as

916
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,639
i've said before when you've asked you

917
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,639
know how many other types of beings

918
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,560
could there possibly be and i said well

919
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,960
you know maybe as much as the manhattan

920
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,960
manhattan phone book as many listings as

921
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,079
there are in the manhattan phone book

922
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,800
maybe more right and i you know i don't

923
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:38,480
know that to be the case but i don't

924
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,359
think that

925
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:41,200
that it's beyond comprehension that

926
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:42,879
that's possible when you look at the

927
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:45,599
entirety of the universe or even

928
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:48,879
multiverse or even just the fact that we

929
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,440
we discover new species

930
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,679
sitting around here all the time right

931
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,879
right so

932
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:56,960
anyway you know i think that i think

933
00:35:02,470 --> 00:34:59,599
that it's difficult because you know

934
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,480
there's been situations recently and i'm

935
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,880
so thankful to have

936
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,880
this situation where every week we get

937
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:09,359
together with people in the chat and and

938
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,640
we get to talk about the current news

939
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:15,119
as far as uh you know anomalous culture

940
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,880
uap ufo news happens and you know we can

941
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,720
kind of ground the conversation and

942
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,040
what's happening these days right and we

943
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:25,359
also look at historical cases we look at

944
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,880
contact cases

945
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,320
and there's

946
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,240
there's a groundingness that happens

947
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:32,800
there that is a way for experiencers

948
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:35,440
like yourself and myself to be able to

949
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,119
tether the conversation in a way that

950
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:39,359
it's relatable to other people right

951
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:40,400
and

952
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:44,960
much

953
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:47,200
study and research and reading and think

954
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,800
about all the docs that you look at

955
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,359
right and all the time

956
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:53,040
and all those and all those books that

957
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:54,880
you remember seeing in my hallway right

958
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:57,920
in terms of in terms of what we do to

959
00:36:01,750 --> 00:36:00,320
kind of prepare ourselves to be able to

960
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,760
tether these

961
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:03,680
these really sensitive conversations

962
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:06,240
with other people right yeah

963
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,520
because in in a way like

964
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:11,119
one of the things that i

965
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,839
when i do say when i appear on other

966
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:15,440
people's podcasts one of the things that

967
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:18,160
i'm kind of scared about like still to

968
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,520
this day

969
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:21,920
um is as you're talking about when

970
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,560
people if people kind of ground it in a

971
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:27,280
really reductive situation where they

972
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:28,720
just want you to talk about the scariest

973
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:31,359
thing that ever happened to you right

974
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,589
it's it's difficult

975
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,520
to express

976
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:42,320
as an as an experiencer as somebody that

977
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:44,560
has these situations it's difficult to

978
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:45,920
express

979
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,800
to others that that your trauma is not

980
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:51,280
necessarily other people's entertainment

981
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,480
and and they and and often there are

982
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:56,880
broad swaths of the community that

983
00:37:02,550 --> 00:36:59,359
completely operate under that assumption

984
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,560
you know what i mean that that

985
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,200
not only that experiencers are are

986
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,680
expected to repeat what their trauma is

987
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,680
to other people over and over and over

988
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,280
again over and over and over again but

989
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:13,839
they're also but other people even put

990
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:16,160
themselves in situations where they're

991
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:17,920
gonna go have something traumatic happen

992
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,839
and they're gonna report back like for

993
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,240
example pretty much the entire like

994
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:24,960
haunted paranormal investigations wing

995
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:27,760
of of paranormal investigations you know

996
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,480
like everybody that where that puts on a

997
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,640
big black outfit goes on goes on to

998
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,560
their discovery channel show

999
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:37,359
and you know it gets their flash exactly

1000
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:38,880
and there's there's

1001
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,320
some ufo experiencers that totally

1002
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,119
um you know monetize their experience

1003
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,440
completely you know sure

1004
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,680
unfortunately and that is a part of what

1005
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:51,280
makes it so difficult for other people i

1006
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,680
was just looking at uh tom reed and

1007
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:55,839
trying to find his contact information

1008
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,710
yeah and it's kind of like oh

1009
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,359
i didn't want to know that

1010
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,520
you know but that doesn't mean his

1011
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:09,440
experience isn't real either because

1012
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,839
people handle things in different ways

1013
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,680
right which is interesting we have a

1014
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:16,000
special guest by the way

1015
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:17,920
what's that we have a special guest by

1016
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,480
the way we do

1017
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,079
no way

1018
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:25,440
vinnie oh my gosh what's up dude how's

1019
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,720
it going guys

1020
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,640
oh it's great to see you it's good to

1021
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,480
see you too man

1022
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,160
it's good yeah like i was just in the

1023
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,960
live chat obviously and loving the show

1024
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:36,880
and i just got the link from sean and he

1025
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:37,760
was like

1026
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,320
let's do it so oh man

1027
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,640
that was a wonderful oh wow it's like

1028
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,640
it's like uh it's it's like christmas

1029
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,400
for me this is great this is a wonderful

1030
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,480
surprise to find under the tree hey you

1031
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,160
were in you were in blackpool at the

1032
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:51,920
awakening conference this last weekend

1033
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,480
right i was indeed oh it was amazing man

1034
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,079
it's my first experience of a like a

1035
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,240
full-blown conference um

1036
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,000
so yeah we were lucky to be there as a

1037
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,480
part of uap media uk so we had a stand

1038
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:04,800
uh and so we just got to meet so many

1039
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,839
cool people it was just incredible

1040
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:09,839
yeah and you

1041
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:12,880
are like besties with uh rick daddy now

1042
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,079
right oh i wouldn't say besties man like

1043
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:18,240
i'm just kidding if you if you look at

1044
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,079
all the photos i took with the speakers

1045
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,320
and you look at me and rick doughty like

1046
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:24,320
there's barely like any kind of smile

1047
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,710
your caption with with your uh instagram

1048
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:32,800
photos you're like i had a great time

1049
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:35,119
with these great people that you know

1050
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:38,079
i'm totally paraphrasing doesn't mean

1051
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,000
that i'm backing

1052
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:42,560
all of their stories 100 all right so

1053
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,000
right away you're just like i'm just

1054
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:47,280
hanging with people now lay off

1055
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,880
you know it was one of them things you

1056
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,000
know i was lucky enough people were

1057
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:51,920
introducing me to the to the speakers

1058
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,640
and i was like nice to meet you yeah

1059
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:56,400
nice me nice to meet you

1060
00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:57,760
yeah

1061
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,240
to actually meet these people though and

1062
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:04,960
be you know like on ufo twitter at least

1063
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,079
i feel like

1064
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:08,880
if the some of these conversations were

1065
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,520
were to actually be had in person

1066
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:13,440
like a scenario like that

1067
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,319
you know

1068
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,400
half of the

1069
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,079
low blow stuff that people are willing

1070
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:21,200
to say just would not be said absolutely

1071
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:23,200
and much more civil the funny thing that

1072
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,040
got me more than meeting the speakers is

1073
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,119
meeting some of the people that are like

1074
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,440
followers on social media and they're

1075
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,119
like oh i'm so and so and then i

1076
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:33,359
recognize the name from social media but

1077
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,960
when they when you see them in person

1078
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:36,000
you're like you would have thought they

1079
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:37,200
were

1080
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:39,280
half the age or completely different

1081
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,119
kind of person so you know from what

1082
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,440
i've judged of people's comments and

1083
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:45,359
usernames it's not what they're like in

1084
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:48,079
person whatsoever so that blew me away

1085
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,359
to be honest

1086
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,359
yeah that's critical

1087
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:53,359
cool that's really great to hear let's

1088
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,720
get back to your show because i don't

1089
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,000
want to intrude

1090
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,079
no no i like it

1091
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:59,920
it's great we always need stuff to talk

1092
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,359
about you know

1093
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:03,359
i mean what no but you bring up

1094
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,960
something that's that's really important

1095
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:07,200
i think you know like last week

1096
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,240
you know james indoley and nre have

1097
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,560
started this new york city ufo supper

1098
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:14,240
club right so and that's

1099
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,319
and that started as a joke between me

1100
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,240
and james and now it's like a real thing

1101
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,720
and you know sean was at the second one

1102
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:23,520
and uh so was priscilla and and some

1103
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,079
other wonderful people and uh and just

1104
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:28,319
this last weekend we did another one at

1105
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,040
this really old school manhattan italian

1106
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,200
restaurant that had like opera singers

1107
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,040
and whatnot and

1108
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,040
and uh bob mcguire who's been on the

1109
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:39,280
show was on and kristen blackburn who's

1110
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,560
been on the show was on and i was there

1111
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,720
and james and i and

1112
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,040
bob's wife my partner it was a great

1113
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,520
time and it's important you know in

1114
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:51,760
situations like that you know we had a

1115
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,800
great like four hour-ish dinner right we

1116
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,079
shut the place down we were one of the

1117
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:58,160
last tables there they were totally

1118
00:42:03,670 --> 00:41:59,520
cleaning up people are starting to

1119
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,589
and uh and uh

1120
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,920
and we had a great time and did we agree

1121
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:10,079
about every single situation that came

1122
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,520
up of course we were talking about

1123
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:13,359
everything under the sun with regard to

1124
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,920
ufology right did we agree about every

1125
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:18,480
single thing absolutely not right

1126
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:19,359
you know

1127
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,839
for a spirited conversation definitely

1128
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:26,000
right oh yeah and and i think it's

1129
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:27,599
important for people to recognize that

1130
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:29,920
it's you know in a field like this or

1131
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:32,480
just in life in general you know like we

1132
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,760
can't

1133
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:35,680
it's important to remember how

1134
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,720
bipartisan you know ufology is in

1135
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,720
general and how

1136
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,640
decent of a job we generally do and

1137
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,720
being able to keep up the dialogue

1138
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:46,240
you know despite the personal

1139
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,839
differences that we might have with each

1140
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:49,920
other and how important it is to keep up

1141
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,400
that kind of a dialogue with it with a

1142
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:54,960
with a spirit of positive energy right

1143
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:57,119
absolutely i've never been to one to get

1144
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,440
you know deep dive into the trauma or

1145
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:00,720
react

1146
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,960
to certain things on social media i've

1147
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:05,040
always stayed away from that but

1148
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,359
i can see to a degree why people do it

1149
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:08,960
because it's easy

1150
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,440
to sit behind the keyboard and respond

1151
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,839
you know like blase but

1152
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,680
yeah you know this weekend did give me

1153
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,920
serious food for thought and

1154
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,160
yeah i just hope that more people get to

1155
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,079
experience those face-to-face

1156
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,000
interactions you know because

1157
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,079
conversations would go a lot differently

1158
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:28,319
if it was face to face

1159
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,599
yeah yeah yeah i'm i'm always impressed

1160
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,000
with with how you can stay out of the

1161
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,000
whatever the the latest drama is

1162
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,480
sometimes i'm like this guy is not even

1163
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,560
looking he's not looking or he would say

1164
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:42,480
something he's not even looking no but

1165
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:43,520
he's just

1166
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:46,960
i'm just i'm working too hard man i have

1167
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,520
so much going on i don't have time if if

1168
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,880
you send one message you know the

1169
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:52,640
thread's gonna be 20 deep i ain't got

1170
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,920
time for that yeah just back and forth

1171
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:57,920
[Music]

1172
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,880
it was an alien no it wasn't

1173
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,240
it's amazing though

1174
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,400
yeah vinnie does such an you do such an

1175
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:06,800
admirable job that way and you know i

1176
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,280
was noticing in blackpool like i was

1177
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,520
seeing some great shots of you and dan

1178
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,520
and company and doing some like action

1179
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,280
poses kind of charlie's angel style and

1180
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,000
stuff like that and i was like

1181
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,839
at one point i noticed

1182
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,839
your shoes and like i was like damn

1183
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,359
finney's got some nice new adidas

1184
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,440
trainers on you know and i was like and

1185
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,119
i actually thought i was like those are

1186
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,040
that's such good symbolism you know

1187
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:31,599
vinnie does keep it does keep he keeps

1188
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,560
his hands and his feet clean in terms of

1189
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,560
that kind of stuff you know and oh yeah

1190
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,800
that's significant i have standards one

1191
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,560
thing i will say is that the what you

1192
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:42,480
should be reaching out for is the

1193
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:45,440
elusive karaoke footage

1194
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,480
oh

1195
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,240
snap all right

1196
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:49,920
i'm looking forward to that that's going

1197
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:52,240
to be if i get it i'm writing an article

1198
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:53,920
for the sun

1199
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:01,750
ufo uh podcasters and authors get freaky

1200
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:04,720
at the karaoke stage we should make some

1201
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:07,440
we should make like you know how people

1202
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:08,640
set up

1203
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:11,599
um kind of uh what do they call it not

1204
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,319
dead drop this turnkey situation those

1205
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,160
situations where say

1206
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,800
if i die then you know go to my security

1207
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:21,119
deposit box and and get the stuff out

1208
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,720
well maybe we could make something

1209
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:24,880
similar here where we can make some just

1210
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,440
gentlemen's agreements that say if the

1211
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,000
22-minute video the confidential

1212
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,640
22-minute uap video that has been talked

1213
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,240
about for years if that ever makes it

1214
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,000
out then maybe the karaoke stuff comes

1215
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,839
out like maybe a week later

1216
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,680
something along those lines

1217
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,119
yeah

1218
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:43,200
let me ask you benny let me ask you

1219
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:46,480
video what did you think of the uh

1220
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,680
brazilian

1221
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,280
ufo hearings

1222
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:51,760
um and you know

1223
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,079
do you think

1224
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,319
it was too wide of a spectrum do you

1225
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:58,319
think it was you know whatever is clever

1226
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,680
what's your take

1227
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,760
i don't think it was too wide i think it

1228
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,440
was like i mentioned in my comment i

1229
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,960
posted earlier i think what a lot of

1230
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,520
people expected was just a repeat of the

1231
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,119
us hearings but maybe with a bit more

1232
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,359
information but it it it really delved

1233
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,680
into or showed what the culture is like

1234
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,000
in south america a lot more this is

1235
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,839
something i experienced in colombia that

1236
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,359
the conversation about e.t

1237
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,359
extraterrestrials and all that is the

1238
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,200
norm out there so they're not afraid to

1239
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,359
go into every single aspect of the

1240
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,599
phenomena it doesn't just have to be

1241
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:29,599
military cases and things like that it

1242
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,240
goes into abductions it goes into into

1243
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,480
the more woo side of things let's say so

1244
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,960
i wasn't surprised at all but i think

1245
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,640
that's also a good scope for other

1246
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,880
countries that may be looking at it and

1247
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,720
and possibly even considering doing

1248
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,640
something in the in the future that they

1249
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,560
can come at it from any angle as well so

1250
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,000
it's not a bad thing i just think we

1251
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,160
need to not look at it from

1252
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:53,520
such american and maybe even uk eyes you

1253
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,800
know that there's more possibilities

1254
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,880
right no i think that's great that's a

1255
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:01,440
great perspective i would say i'm

1256
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,599
and i wonder if it has to do with um

1257
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:06,960
there's probably a whole lot of things

1258
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:13,910
i just feel like some cultures are kind

1259
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,720
of more um

1260
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:18,560
you know ingrained in

1261
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:20,720
you know supernatural kind of things

1262
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,119
yeah you know or even religions or

1263
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,880
brought up religious

1264
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,040
or just things of that nature and i feel

1265
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,839
a lot of it has to do with um just the

1266
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,359
the desire to

1267
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:33,680
to learn more about the universe and

1268
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:36,800
what the truth of of reality is

1269
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,079
as um maybe here or other european

1270
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,559
countries are just kind of more fixed on

1271
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,400
uh you know now

1272
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:46,160
in money

1273
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,520
i think it will help it'll help when

1274
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,160
james fox's documentary drops

1275
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,480
you know focusing on the brazilian case

1276
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:54,000
i can tell you it's

1277
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,440
an eye-opener it's amazing and it's a

1278
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,520
shame that that wasn't out before so

1279
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:01,280
that more people will really like eyes

1280
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:03,119
on these brazilian hearings based on

1281
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,200
what the documentary shows a lot of

1282
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,520
great testimony but it's just the way

1283
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,440
the cookie crumbled that it's it's not

1284
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,200
that way around but i think you know i

1285
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,520
think a lot of focus needs to be on

1286
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,839
south america in in the coming months

1287
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,720
you know

1288
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:17,920
yeah

1289
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:19,839
for for a lot of reasons

1290
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,510
what's what's the name of your document

1291
00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:27,520
your upcoming documentary again vinnie

1292
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,160
so it's a series and it's called

1293
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,920
phenomenology uh episode one premieres

1294
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:33,680
this friday

1295
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:36,559
it's amazing very close yeah nice i'm

1296
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:38,079
looking forward to that thank you

1297
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,920
absolutely i've been been following the

1298
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,839
progress of that since before you guys

1299
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,200
even went out there

1300
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:44,880
or you know i mean we were in

1301
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,280
communication at the you know before you

1302
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:49,040
guys went out it was so cool to see your

1303
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,240
updates from the field there in columbia

1304
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,880
so cool and um of course you know no

1305
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,880
spoilers you told us a little bit about

1306
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,559
what happened there and of course we're

1307
00:49:00,870 --> 00:49:00,160
not going to spoil some of those details

1308
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,880
but

1309
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,480
really really looking forward to seeing

1310
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,760
the footage

1311
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,680
i just i just have to ask you did you

1312
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,160
have an experience

1313
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:09,599
yeah

1314
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,800
i'll say that much i can't wait to be

1315
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:14,079
able to talk about it to be honest

1316
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,200
obviously this is something that

1317
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,800
happened in february and we're now in

1318
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,800
june end of june

1319
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:20,640
and i want to

1320
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,559
be able to talk more freely and ask

1321
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:24,960
questions and you know

1322
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,160
well i remember back in the day

1323
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,359
when it was uh max herself and i

1324
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,200
and you know max

1325
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,280
thought he saw something or whatever and

1326
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,960
we would tease you about it like you're

1327
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:38,880
gonna see something or what man you're

1328
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,839
like oh god i want to so bad but i

1329
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:43,680
didn't i haven't

1330
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,280
so that i i feel you know well

1331
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:48,720
you know i was saying earlier about

1332
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:51,359
people who have had experiences like uh

1333
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:52,720
you know the one

1334
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:54,960
frustration that i have sometimes is

1335
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,640
that people um kind of pray paint

1336
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,800
experiences with a broad brush like you

1337
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:02,720
hear somebody had an experience now that

1338
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:05,359
means that he thinks he's taken away in

1339
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:06,640
a spaceship

1340
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,520
or

1341
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:08,720
you know that

1342
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:09,760
he thinks

1343
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:12,079
all aliens are peaceful and they're here

1344
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:13,920
to raise our consciousness and take us

1345
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,640
away to paradise or you know all these

1346
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,960
different things but you know

1347
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:20,160
from

1348
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:21,359
looking into

1349
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:24,319
the different experiences that happen

1350
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:26,079
i was saying earlier that they're all

1351
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,000
just unique just like everything else

1352
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:30,400
that happens in a person's life you know

1353
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,839
it could be

1354
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,040
something that's right in front of your

1355
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,680
face and just this crazy you know thing

1356
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:36,880
that you see

1357
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:39,920
or could have some sort of uh you know a

1358
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,400
precognitive dream it could be a simple

1359
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,920
experience you could be a complicated

1360
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,880
one

1361
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:46,880
and there's so many different facets to

1362
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,559
it you know so

1363
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,720
you know hopefully you know i want to

1364
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:52,800
say i'm glad you had one you know but

1365
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:55,359
ultimately that'll be you know uh up to

1366
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,920
you if it was a good or bad experience i

1367
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,240
guess so i mean it has taken me months

1368
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,079
to even begin to start processing it i

1369
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,319
guess the main question i have is

1370
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:05,520
what was it

1371
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,160
and that has spurred me on i think we're

1372
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:10,079
going to go back out again next year

1373
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,880
with sensor systems and stuff just to

1374
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,720
even start beginning to answer that

1375
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:16,319
question you know

1376
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:17,599
i know it's going to be a lengthy

1377
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:18,800
process

1378
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,200
but yeah it's taken me months to to just

1379
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,280
realize wait a minute i did actually see

1380
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,960
something it's

1381
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,480
captured in

1382
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,240
high definition

1383
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,760
and it's unknown

1384
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:31,760
right it's hard it's hard it's going to

1385
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,880
be hard because people are going to be

1386
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,800
like i know people are going to brush it

1387
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:37,119
off like they do with all people's

1388
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:38,800
sightings

1389
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,680
i'm almost glad i don't have video of my

1390
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,760
main one because you know if i did i

1391
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,599
could run into things like that or i

1392
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,440
could talk myself

1393
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,040
you know into

1394
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:51,280
well probably if i had video of that

1395
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:52,559
there would be no

1396
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,160
you know but it would have been

1397
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:56,160
impossible to get video of it

1398
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:56,880
but

1399
00:52:03,589 --> 00:51:59,920
how is that um you know train

1400
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:03,599
changed your motivation to to dig for

1401
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,079
truth and jay same question for you your

1402
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,880
experience has that motivated you to

1403
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,800
find some truth

1404
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,880
for me personally i'll quickly say it's

1405
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:14,640
not changed anything my motivation has

1406
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,880
always been there because even before i

1407
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,480
saw anything i always wanted to do

1408
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,720
what's right by the community by the

1409
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:22,960
people i have spoken to who some are

1410
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:25,200
experiences and witnesses all i ever

1411
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,720
wanted is the truth and if it means

1412
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:28,559
other people get answers before me then

1413
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:34,069
and and for me you know i think that

1414
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:40,630
i i dug for years privately before kind

1415
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,680
of

1416
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:43,599
becoming a

1417
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:44,960
a very

1418
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:47,520
niche public figure within this realm

1419
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,000
right and and

1420
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:52,319
i the amount of study that i did and

1421
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:53,680
just trying to figure out what the hell

1422
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:57,040
was going on with my own life and

1423
00:53:02,309 --> 00:52:59,839
it opened so many doors and it opened so

1424
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:02,319
many discussions you know um

1425
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:03,680
you know people like sean esperon

1426
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:06,160
hargens and and some of the the folks

1427
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:07,200
that were

1428
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,040
they were presenting at the brazilian

1429
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:11,119
hearings were talking about how you know

1430
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:14,319
exodus you know the the field of ufology

1431
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:17,280
and anomalous culture it's it it's it's

1432
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:20,880
a very multi-disciplinary situation and

1433
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:23,040
so not only are we dealing with problems

1434
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,720
of terminology and things like that

1435
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:27,119
we're also looking at it from so many

1436
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,640
different angles and so many different

1437
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:29,920
disciplines

1438
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,880
that that it can be paralyzing

1439
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,040
in in many ways for for people to try to

1440
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:37,200
move forward with some of this stuff but

1441
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:40,880
i you know i think i think that as as

1442
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:43,520
as we progress it's important to realize

1443
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:44,880
that there are people like the three of

1444
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,200
us that are experiencers that can help

1445
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:49,040
normalize these conversations even just

1446
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:51,200
what we're having right now where vinnie

1447
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:53,040
can say like yeah i saw something it was

1448
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,400
amazing it was in february i've been

1449
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:56,400
keeping it myself and sure enough you

1450
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,200
know

1451
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,920
and being able to to share that and

1452
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:02,640
being able to just push

1453
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,880
the ball forward in terms of having that

1454
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,640
as a normal conversation without having

1455
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:08,480
to you know sweating on her brows and

1456
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:10,319
feeling like like we're gonna we're

1457
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:12,480
going to get negativity from the rest of

1458
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,599
the community or something like that

1459
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:15,200
it's super important there's something i

1460
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,880
did want to get into and

1461
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,960
vinnie it's up to you if you want to get

1462
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:20,960
into it with us or not but i wanted to

1463
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:22,160
get into

1464
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:23,119
um

1465
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:27,599
you know

1466
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:28,480
and

1467
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,359
um

1468
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:30,960
you know attempting to

1469
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:33,839
to contact non-human entities you you

1470
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:36,319
worded it correctly like terminology

1471
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,200
is

1472
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,200
really important and i myself could do a

1473
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:41,280
better job with it but human initiated

1474
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,760
contact right which i think is a great

1475
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,359
way of putting it

1476
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,520
um

1477
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:49,200
i'll just start it off with with some of

1478
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:50,319
the things

1479
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:53,440
i've hear lately is not such a good idea

1480
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:56,160
because you're opening yourself up to

1481
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,530
um

1482
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:57,839
[Music]

1483
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,400
anything that wants to pretty much

1484
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:02,720
either screw with you

1485
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:04,240
or

1486
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:05,520
you know

1487
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:09,280
know what's going to come so should you

1488
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,520
even do it so my question to you maybe

1489
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:13,200
jay maybe you have a good answer for

1490
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:15,040
this is there a way to do

1491
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,839
something like that or practice that and

1492
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:19,680
where you can only or you only really

1493
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,520
bring on positive

1494
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:24,000
type things

1495
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,760
i don't know that there's a foolproof

1496
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,160
situation you know i was i was i talked

1497
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,240
to james from engaging the phenomenon

1498
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:32,319
most days and as we all know he likes to

1499
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:34,240
engage the phenomenon right it's kind of

1500
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:35,200
his thing

1501
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:36,880
um and uh

1502
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:39,280
and he's i think that he's really

1503
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:40,960
developed his protocols given his

1504
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:43,200
meditation practice and things like that

1505
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,000
and

1506
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:46,079
you know from from what i've heard from

1507
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:47,839
him it sounds it sounds like he's had

1508
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:51,280
many successful situations uh and

1509
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,839
you know i first of all i mean just to

1510
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:55,839
establish this i think we're kind of

1511
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:58,480
taking it as a given that or i am and

1512
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,640
maybe you are sean anyway that that this

1513
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:03,280
is something that can occur right that

1514
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:04,160
people

1515
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,000
tend to if they

1516
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,480
whether because of a certain piece of

1517
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:10,480
property or and

1518
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,119
that or because of the kind of energy

1519
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,119
that they're bringing to the situation

1520
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,880
that there does seem to be something to

1521
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,440
this that that when certain

1522
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:21,359
when people kind of follow

1523
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:23,920
a certain kind of meditational practice

1524
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:26,400
or some kind of process of concentration

1525
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,480
that it can somehow clarify their mind

1526
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:30,400
enough that they can somehow

1527
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:32,559
get com some kind of call and response

1528
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:33,359
back

1529
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:36,240
um from an anomalous some anomalous

1530
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,280
phenomena out there and there does

1531
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:41,280
you know everything that i've seen there

1532
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:42,720
seems to be something to it i don't

1533
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,319
think that it works a hundred percent of

1534
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,640
the time but it certainly works some of

1535
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,200
the time for some people um

1536
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,359
enough that there's something there what

1537
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:53,119
do you think vinny

1538
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:54,799
i think for the amount of people that

1539
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,920
i've spoken to that you know there is

1540
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,440
something there for them at least and

1541
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:01,760
who am i to say that there's not because

1542
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:04,240
i've not sat down and experienced it but

1543
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,680
at the same time

1544
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:07,119
i've heard a lot of people suggest that

1545
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,799
it's a bit like opening up a massive

1546
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:10,799
phone book and just randomly hitting one

1547
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,839
number

1548
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:13,680
nine times out of ten the person on the

1549
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:16,079
other end will probably be cool you know

1550
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,520
but that one person might not be so cool

1551
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,200
you know you kind of ask for it you're

1552
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,599
random calling out there so you know

1553
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:25,680
that's one way of looking at it but

1554
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,400
it's it's not my my ball game let's say

1555
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:30,400
but but like i said anybody that does

1556
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:32,319
feel like it's something for them in in

1557
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:33,920
in a way that works

1558
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:35,680
in their life

1559
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:38,079
then i'm all behind that i'm all for it

1560
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:39,920
and like you said james is is a good

1561
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,079
proponent for this and i've had an awful

1562
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:44,079
lot of conversations with james as well

1563
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:45,520
and you know he says he's had some great

1564
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,480
experiences and he was kind of my my in

1565
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:50,480
on that kind of other side of the other

1566
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,400
aspect of it you know i came from such a

1567
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,400
nuts and bolts background that

1568
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:56,880
james was my my way in he opened the

1569
00:58:03,270 --> 00:57:59,680
door for me to open up to other areas um

1570
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,280
and it's an interesting realm to explore

1571
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,359
right so i'm still i'm still in the

1572
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:07,760
exploration zone where i i feel like

1573
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,400
talking to people comes first before i

1574
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:12,640
even attempt to do anything for myself

1575
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,920
but i'm open i'm seriously open to it

1576
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,520
that makes a lot of sense

1577
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:19,599
yeah um i

1578
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,280
i'm cautious about you know trying it

1579
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,440
too much i've tried it but it's like

1580
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,359
like i only have the balls to try it for

1581
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:29,040
so long like

1582
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:30,319
you know

1583
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:32,480
like i do it for a little bit of time

1584
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:34,000
and

1585
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:40,079
you know but it's not overly strange

1586
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:41,680
it's not a plane

1587
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:43,599
it could be a satellite

1588
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:45,839
definitely not for sure like

1589
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,920
something strange

1590
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:49,680
but i don't know sometimes sometimes it

1591
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:51,119
just seems like there's too much

1592
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:53,920
synchronicity in it man like right when

1593
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:56,400
i'm done there it is like what the hell

1594
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,240
is that

1595
00:59:02,069 --> 00:59:00,240
you know it's pretty weird

1596
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:02,079
um but um

1597
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:04,240
you know and i'll let i'll just resort

1598
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:05,839
back to what i was saying before like

1599
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:06,960
every experience is going to be

1600
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,520
different for everybody else right like

1601
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:11,280
you know somebody may have a really bad

1602
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,799
experience doing that where they get

1603
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,480
some sort of hitchhiker thing they won't

1604
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:16,000
leave them the f alone like you said

1605
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:17,680
vinnie get that one in the phone book

1606
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:19,920
that just doesn't take too kindly of it

1607
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:22,079
somebody else might just continually

1608
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:24,079
invite in something that's you know

1609
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:25,839
maybe kind of beautiful and nice and it

1610
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,119
works for them

1611
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:29,520
and and that's uh cool so i think if if

1612
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,799
you're going to do it

1613
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:32,880
you have to be aware that that's the

1614
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:35,359
case right and are you willing to take

1615
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:37,280
that chance you know

1616
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:39,359
i would i would tend to agree with you i

1617
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,119
think that it's probably

1618
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:43,599
in general less problematic than like

1619
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:46,400
using a ouija board maybe right i mean

1620
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:49,200
right people compare the two you know my

1621
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:51,280
friend stuart davis and you know

1622
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,720
co-founder of the experiencer group

1623
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:54,880
stewart davis he likes to refer to ouija

1624
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,920
boards as the spiritual equivalent of a

1625
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,240
greyhound bus station which i don't know

1626
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,240
if that really translates to uk culture

1627
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:04,640
event it does it does yeah yeah you

1628
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:05,839
never know what you're going to get when

1629
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:07,760
you go to the bus station right yeah and

1630
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:08,640
uh

1631
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,640
and um and that can certainly be the

1632
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,920
case with

1633
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:14,000
you know a lot of people will say oh i

1634
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,760
don't believe in ouija boards and then

1635
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,680
if you were to present somebody with one

1636
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:19,119
and say well okay let's let's sit and

1637
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:21,119
try and they'll be like no no no no

1638
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:23,680
you know what i mean there's and i i i'm

1639
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:25,680
really interested in the barrier between

1640
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:27,920
like i you know like those things

1641
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,480
there's nothing to that and and yet like

1642
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:32,160
i'm not gonna sit down and try one out

1643
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:34,880
right and um and i think that there's

1644
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,640
from what i've heard from various people

1645
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:38,319
it seems like

1646
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,440
you know the direct the directness of

1647
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:43,200
ouija boards or things like that where

1648
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,000
you're inviting something to interact

1649
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:48,000
with you on a

1650
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:50,079
on a

1651
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:51,359
uh

1652
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,079
on an almost verbal frequency in terms

1653
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,640
of in terms of communication it seems

1654
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,240
like that can invite

1655
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,880
a closeness that can be really scary for

1656
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:02,720
a lot of people and one thing that i

1657
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:04,640
deeply appreciate about

1658
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:06,640
human initiated contact and whatever the

1659
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:09,200
framework that is is that it it seems in

1660
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,400
general to elicit behavior

1661
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:14,400
that is a little bit more gentle for

1662
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:16,160
people to process in terms of you're

1663
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:17,839
sitting there you see something way up

1664
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:19,040
in the sky

1665
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,559
and then you don't this it doesn't

1666
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,400
necessarily come home with you you don't

1667
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:24,240
have to necessarily worry about whether

1668
01:01:27,510 --> 01:01:25,920
your car keys are going to be in the

1669
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:27,520
same place as where you left them the

1670
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:28,880
night before you know the kind of

1671
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:30,400
poltergeist kind of stuff that you can

1672
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:33,839
get with other forms of contact

1673
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:35,280
according to the people that are doing

1674
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,280
them right it's like it's like you're

1675
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:39,359
praying but you don't know to who right

1676
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:40,799
you're like offering up this prayer

1677
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:41,760
you're like

1678
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:43,920
please help me whoever's listening i

1679
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:46,400
could use your guidance and you got like

1680
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:49,359
you know god there and he got like satan

1681
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:52,240
there but god's like busy like getting

1682
01:01:55,310 --> 01:01:54,079
ready for the day and satan's like i'll

1683
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:55,320
take that one

1684
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:58,480
[Laughter]

1685
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:00,319
and then you just got the the ghost of

1686
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:03,280
jim bob whoever that guy is right

1687
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:05,920
who knows

1688
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:07,359
you got to be aware god i don't know

1689
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:09,039
what to tell you man i'm taking this one

1690
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:10,960
yeah

1691
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,839
you know absolutely and but along those

1692
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:17,520
lines you know the mission rama group

1693
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:19,839
and other groups that are that have that

1694
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:21,920
have worked in in latin america and

1695
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:24,319
south america you know have been doing

1696
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:26,880
that kind of work for many decades

1697
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:27,839
before

1698
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:30,400
uh people like stephen greer were became

1699
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:32,799
known for for that kind of work and so

1700
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:34,160
you know it's important for people to

1701
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:36,000
recognize that there's a history of this

1702
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:39,200
stuff that exists far past any one

1703
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:41,920
particular person you know

1704
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:44,480
so that's that's another thing is

1705
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:46,240
um you know painting things with a broad

1706
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:48,240
brush right people think human initiated

1707
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:51,359
contact c5 they think of uh called

1708
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:54,000
contact groups you know like uh

1709
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:57,119
like a grier or

1710
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:58,559
you know where all those people took

1711
01:03:01,670 --> 01:03:00,559
their own lives right

1712
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,680
um

1713
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:03,599
they they i forget what that was called

1714
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,160
but in heaven's gate heaven's gate

1715
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:08,480
thanks you're saving my ass today

1716
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:11,599
heaven's gate bass straight got it

1717
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:13,760
i see a theme yeah yeah

1718
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:15,920
so and and people just think that you

1719
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:18,319
know and and we have to if we do

1720
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,720
anything you know in this community and

1721
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:22,319
just as a

1722
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:26,160
as a world we have to be able to treat

1723
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:28,640
things on an individual basis

1724
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:32,000
uh more than we do now and and unique to

1725
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:33,920
the person instead of

1726
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:36,079
associating

1727
01:03:39,990 --> 01:03:37,119
you know

1728
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,000
an experiencer with what you think or

1729
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:42,160
what you heard last of experiences or

1730
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:45,039
what the media tells you it is and

1731
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:47,680
you know uh you know people who practice

1732
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:49,119
contact you know

1733
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:51,920
so yeah absolutely absolutely

1734
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:54,160
well i'm so glad vinnie that that you

1735
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:56,079
were able to make that that trip and

1736
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:58,720
that we're to start to see the fruits of

1737
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:01,440
that coming up soon um and is there

1738
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,799
anything that we should

1739
01:04:06,309 --> 01:04:04,720
expect from this first from this first

1740
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:06,319
episode that's going to be dropping on

1741
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:07,359
friday

1742
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:09,359
i think the first episode really is

1743
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:12,240
going to highlight the culture of the

1744
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:15,839
area we speak to one of the oldest uh i

1745
01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:17,839
suppose ufologists we call him a

1746
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,280
phenomenologist

1747
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:21,280
who we met and interviewed and he talks

1748
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:23,280
about the the strange occurrences in

1749
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:24,799
that in the valley

1750
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:27,280
for hundreds of years so it does come

1751
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:29,920
across quite woo but again it's cultural

1752
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:32,799
to them it's normal to them so you know

1753
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:33,520
we

1754
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:39,599
start off as us not some kind of nuts

1755
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:40,960
and bolts

1756
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:42,960
you know english

1757
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:44,960
ufologists whatever you want to call us

1758
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:45,760
and

1759
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:48,000
the journey we take is kind of like

1760
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:49,680
what's highlighted i think throughout

1761
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:52,000
the series how our journey because you

1762
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:55,039
know we meet a lot of spiritual people a

1763
01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:56,319
lot of

1764
01:05:01,829 --> 01:04:58,480
you know locals that are just ingrained

1765
01:05:03,029 --> 01:05:01,839
in ancient cultures of you know colombia

1766
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:03,039
and

1767
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:04,559
i think as much as anything it's a

1768
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:07,200
beautiful looking series

1769
01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:09,359
so even if you get bored of watching me

1770
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:11,119
then you know well that's why it's

1771
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:12,960
beautiful looking right

1772
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:14,799
that's what it's beautiful looking

1773
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:21,990
and i can't also do that i'm so happy

1774
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:24,000
for you man like i feel like we've been

1775
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:26,480
here together doing this for for a while

1776
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:28,960
now oh yeah you know we've managed to

1777
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:31,680
not break up we're getting fights

1778
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:34,400
i think two stupid to each other

1779
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,720
you know we've always been supportive of

1780
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,640
each other and i i love watching you

1781
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:40,319
grow and

1782
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:42,079
you know all the things that you're

1783
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:43,039
doing

1784
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:44,559
you're so busy and you're always

1785
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:45,760
expanding

1786
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:48,400
um you know your your actions and your

1787
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:49,920
work and

1788
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:52,160
you know it's just always so impressive

1789
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:53,280
and and

1790
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:54,960
you know um i'm

1791
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:56,559
just super proud that that you're out

1792
01:06:00,069 --> 01:05:58,000
there doing this for this community

1793
01:06:01,990 --> 01:06:00,079
because i know you're

1794
01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:02,000
i do know your heart and it's a good

1795
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:03,119
heart

1796
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:05,280
and um thank you i think people are

1797
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:07,680
lucky that that you're doing that

1798
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:08,480
so

1799
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:10,079
that means a lot yeah that really does

1800
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:11,839
mean a lot man we've been through it

1801
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:14,960
together for for a long time now and uh

1802
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:17,119
you inspire me you both inspire me you

1803
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:18,480
know um

1804
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:20,319
and it's great that we can be friends

1805
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:22,960
and take this journey together you know

1806
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:24,079
i mean

1807
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:25,520
100

1808
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:27,760
yeah very inspiring

1809
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:31,440
well oh gosh yeah that being said

1810
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:33,680
yeah maybe we should i mean yeah there's

1811
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:36,079
so much more to say about about some of

1812
01:06:38,309 --> 01:06:37,119
the

1813
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:38,319
some of what we were going to talk about

1814
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:40,079
today but i'm so happy that we took this

1815
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:41,599
wonderful left turn

1816
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:44,079
uh with i'm sorry

1817
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,480
no it's great are you kidding me this is

1818
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:48,240
absolutely wonderful it's so good to see

1819
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:51,760
you um we can we can we we can talk more

1820
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:54,559
about the brazilian senate case online

1821
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:56,880
on twitter and elsewhere and it can come

1822
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:58,559
up in in the weeks to come hopefully

1823
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:00,720
maybe we can get some of the folks from

1824
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:03,440
icer that helped organize this uh to

1825
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:05,520
come join us on the show and we can kind

1826
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:07,680
of talk debrief the processing and

1827
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:09,119
things like that and get into a little

1828
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:10,480
bit more of the details because i'd love

1829
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:13,119
to do that but uh

1830
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:14,799
but for today i know that it's getting

1831
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:16,720
past midnight for vinnie

1832
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:23,029
thank you so much and uh and i know that

1833
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:24,880
for sean it's getting towards uh dinner

1834
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:30,309
and i'm getting so

1835
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:35,430
that's you it's your secret power if

1836
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:37,200
people have learned anything about this

1837
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:39,200
show it said i'm not afraid of left

1838
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:42,160
turns and i'd like to just live on the

1839
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:44,000
seat of my pants i like to be spray at

1840
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:45,920
the moment i don't like to pre-plan

1841
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,480
everything or scripting out sometimes

1842
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:50,160
i'm just picking topics just because i

1843
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:52,319
have to you know i can't pick

1844
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:54,319
you know we're just talking shop people

1845
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:56,160
that you know people want a topic so we

1846
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:57,520
start with the topic but wherever it

1847
01:08:02,230 --> 01:07:59,839
goes it goes because you know

1848
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,240
i just love reading the roller coaster

1849
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:04,160
i love riding the roller coaster with

1850
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:06,240
you and with both of you

1851
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:07,760
amen to that

1852
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:09,680
all right well we'll see i look forward

1853
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:12,880
to seeing uh phenomenology on friday

1854
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:15,280
yeah right and uh i look forward to

1855
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:18,080
seeing um you next week sean and looking

1856
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:21,040
forward to uap book club i'm sure

1857
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:21,839
yeah

1858
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:25,040
keep an eye on uap media uk by the way

1859
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:26,719
you need to do that because they're up

1860
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:28,880
to some really cool stuff and just take

1861
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:31,520
my word for it like watch the website

1862
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:32,880
read the articles

1863
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:35,040
just came out with a great one

1864
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,319
on

1865
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:38,400
the what case was it

1866
01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:41,040
uh part one of calvin dr david clark

1867
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,799
driving to calvin part two drops

1868
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:44,480
tomorrow so yeah keep your eye on that

1869
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:45,679
lots happening

1870
01:08:50,829 --> 01:08:47,679
yeah so keep your eye on that a lot of

1871
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:50,839
good stuff going over there on the uk

1872
01:08:55,189 --> 01:08:53,040
absolutely what that being said

1873
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:55,199
all right well over and out sir take

1874
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:56,560
care thanks to everybody in the chat

1875
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:58,960
thank you vinnie thank you guys

1876
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:04,070
hey i'll see you later man hey i love

1877
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:06,159
you buddy i'll see you soon hey i

1878
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:07,600
stopped recording

1879
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:08,560
do you

1880
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:10,239
i'm just no you didn't i see that it's

1881
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:11,600
live up there

1882
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:13,040
thanks to everybody in the chat by the

1883
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:15,359
way you're all absolutely fantastic i've

1884
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:17,279
been reading some of your comments and

1885
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:20,080
and it's always wonderful to see how

1886
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,440
well you treat each other and how great

1887
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:23,279
the conversation goes over there thanks

1888
01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:25,359
so much for joining us awesome other

1889
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:27,920
than that one trickster at the beginning

1890
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:29,120
that's right

1891
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:31,279
yeah i went ahead and take care of that

1892
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:32,239
that was

1893
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:34,480
he was just he was just trying to get

1894
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:37,279
everybody some some expensive sex or

1895
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:38,640
something i didn't quite understand what

1896
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:43,269
anyway

1897
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:45,199
well uh

1898
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:46,480
now you're freezing and you're trying to

1899
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:47,839
act like you're frozen and you're not

1900
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:49,920
frozen i know you're still there

1901
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:51,120
you're trying to fake me out you keep

1902
01:09:54,460 --> 01:09:52,400
trying to fake me out it's not going to

1903
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:54,470
work what that beard said

1904
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:58,880
[Laughter]

1905
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,000
all right all right

1906
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:03,040
love you buddy love you man see you soon

1907
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:05,930
peace